Ever Have That Feeling...
...like you've been punched in the gut? The one after a conversation you never thought you'd have, for example?
Today I had a chance to meet with some folks from Westminster Theological Seminary (yes,that Westminster) to talk about their PhD program, in particular the apologetics concentration. Now, some of you who have been dropping by for a while now are probably scratching your head. For one, I'm not Reformed. Not by a long shot - I'm about a 1.75 point Calvinist, last I checked, which makes me about as Reformed as Dick Cheney is a good shot. For another, apologetics might seem like an odd sort of pursuit for me, given my approach to all things rational and provable. But Westminster has a few things going for it - for one, it's one of the most academically rigorous seminaries around; for another, they have a cultural apologetics track that seems, from what I gathered, to take issues of contextualization seriously.
So I had a very nice lunch with the head of the apologetics program, thanks to one of my professors at Biblical (a Westminster grad and a capital fellow by all accounts). We talked for a while about their program, and, while I'm not sure it's a good fit yet, I at least was interested in learning more. But then we dropped by the admissions office to chat with the director of admissions about the language requirements. And that's the less happy conversation that's left me feeling like a complete loser - the guy basically said that my degree isn't considered an appropriate MDiv for their program, and he wouldn't even consider me for admissions. What's the issue? For one, I don't have biblical languages in my program. No problem there; I knew that was an issue going into the thing and planned to supplement with additional coursework. But the second hangup I never saw coming. He said I lacked the systematic theology requirements for admission.
Ok, step back for a second - I've read their catalogue, and nowhere in there does it talk about systematic theology. Now, I'm learning that they want 12 credits of graduate work in systematics. See, at Biblical they scrapped the systematic theology in the program in which I'm enrolled because the theology is all integrated with biblical studies. So we don't talk about the doctrine of the church in the abstract - we read Galatians and develop a theology of the church from the biblical text. We read Genesis and talk about sin; we read the Gospels and talk about social justice. That's the approach that my program takes - it's not perfect, to be sure, but I can tell you that I'm walking away from this program with a far greater perspective on how scripture informs my theology, instead of just memorizing some proof texts in a systematic book. It's been a great program, and I've learned a ton - but not, apparently, in the way that they'd like.
So here I am, after thousands of dollars and countless hours of study, being told that I, in essence, didn't get a real degree. "Terminal degree" was the term that he used - meaning it's the end of the line, basically.
But you know what? I'd take my second-class degree any day over one that leaves me ill-prepared to do theology in a rapidly changing context. I just want a chance to prove that I can do it.
They're going to review their requirements and Biblical's curriculum and get back to me, so it's not a closed door yet. But, crap, I thought I had no idea in what direction I was heading before...
Sorry about the news, Scott. It seems as if they'd at least let you make up the credits during or before your studying there - that way you could acquire some stylish TULIP-colored glasses through which you could view the Scriptures. I realize that wouldn't be your ideal situation either . . . Geez, it seems as if they could get rid of the institutional sieve and examine your case personally, or even respect another institution's MDiv program enough to make those exceptions, or even get rid of such specific entrance requirements (the language requirement, I can understand - but, for instance, would they want someone with sys. theo. credits from a Wesleyan Sem.?) . . . Anyway, I'm just venting.
Posted by Scott Lyons on March 8, 2006 09:11 AMHaving slept on it, I'm still irritated by the way I was treated, but I'm less concerned about getting into the program. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be a bad fit. But I'm also interested to see what they come back with - someone else is looking into this for me, so I'll try to keep an open mind and hope that the dude just had a bad day or something. ;)
Posted by ScottB on March 8, 2006 10:26 PMRead your post. I have to say that I have only recently had discussions with reformed Calvinists lately after being assessed for church planting. I am not Calvinist. The main issue that was brough up was that we were theologically weak. In other words, our take away was that since we were not Calvinistic, we had weak theology and needed to read Gruden's Systematic Theology a few hundred times. Is it me, or does it seem like everytime a Calvinist and an Arminian have a discussion, the Arminian is labeled theologically weak? Seems like the same thing you ran into at the seminary.
Posted by Tony Chimento on March 9, 2006 10:17 AMouch.
We run into that problem all the time here in Europe. I think there's a lot of snobbery involved.
I do hope that it works out for You. God has a way of opening the RIGHT doors so hang in there.
PS I start a course on Apologetics in two weeks. Scary!
Posted by Lorna on March 9, 2006 01:08 PMTony - I've read Grudem's systematic theology, and my opinion is that it's an unconstitutional form of punishment ;). But I know exactly what you mean. To be fair, I know a lot of folks in the Reformed tradition who are generous and respectful. But I also have encountered a lot who aren't, and at some point I start to ask why that is. I mentioned over on Bob Hyatt's site at one point that I just haven't met that many pissed off anabaptists, and the more I think about it, the more I think it's a fair observation.
Anyway - thanks for dropping by; good thoughts!
Lorna - wow, that's interesting. I have a friend who received his undergrad in Australia that ran into complications when he came to the States and tried to enroll for grad courses; he had a similar issue. I guess I just never thought about it as a possibility until this past week.
You are our resident door expert! :) Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep my eyes open for that right one!
Posted by ScottB on March 10, 2006 12:02 AM
